Baton Pass The user is replaced with another Pokemon in its party. Clearly I should run that. Baton Pass shouldn't have a place in competitive Pokemon. Teambuilding is an extraordinary display of skill. This does not apply to BP in any way.
Charizard? Besides, Taunt on either of these two over more coverage is pretty questionable (especially on Gyarados), so like I said, in order to combat BP, you've had to weaken your team against every other team by giving up coverage, which makes you lose to threats you should beat. Smash pass has been around since BW and hasn't broken Ubers for multiple generations now (viz: Teams requiring more weight on execution vs building is a poor gauge of how "skillful" a team is to use. As you've said yourself, Taunt is an amazing move that can hardly be considered a waste of a moveslot. You seem to not understand how Red Card works. Also some of the mons you mention are hilariously unviable (Mixed Cloyster?? If you have a better set of resources for me to use, I'll be happy to use those. Is this more clear to you? Either I have a Zacian check, or I get smashed by sword doggo. For the record, it is possible to soft check fullpass teams. Full Baton Pass teams where all six Pokemon aim to pass boosts between each other in a methodical manner to an eventual sweeper are feared by many with limited in-battle counterplay. There's a reason Full pass teams have no representation in UPL; it's because full pass just isn't good enough to be worth using. The issue is the quickpassers here: they are getting more and more reliable, to the point that Magearna Pass Offense is a full consistent strategy rather than just matchup cheese.
There are 2 different "stages" of a full pass team: setup and maintenance. But one of us actually understands the opportunity cost of Haze and why it is not the primary recommended option, especially now Flip Turn is in the format. Pokemon.
Some counter points to the things I'm seeing: Rock; Sand Force. Clearly I should run that.
First time poster here, wanted to comment on this as bp is my favorite playstyle. Yes, I do know this. Search. Magearna. Baton Pass Clause.
And use some metagame experience to understand what BP actually plays. Like I said, it's a sweeper bypassing all the risks of setting up itself and freeing up a moveslot or two for more coverage. You forgot about another option; Haze Vaporeon ( You can also add Life Orb Eterna to the list of things that bring trouble, which is about as standard as it gets. Sub to scout Dynamax, and carry on. It's essentially a consistent method of abusing BP and the one I think people should be the most aware of. There are also flip a coin match-ups where one player has many dynamax users that could be threatening whereas the other doesn't, meaning that the non-dynamax user will either have to scout the whole game, or try to predict the turn where the opponent dynamaxes, which often isn't clear. Or a sweeper getting access to boosting moves that it shouldn't. —Dell on Jul 14, 2015 This really applies for any team though, and isn't unique at all to bp. Yeah, you are going to succeed after only passing Speed because speed is the most important stat. As you've said yourself, Taunt is an amazing move that can hardly be considered a waste of a moveslot. The user is replaced with another Pokemon in its party.
Crown Tundra is going to bring a lot more Ubers viable mons so I'm looking forward to that.Is this just a straight ban, or a more complex ban where you can use the move so long as you don’t pass any stats?I didn't see a lot of BP teams in Ubers from my experience, but when I ran into them and they got the momentum started, it was frustrating.
It requires skills and predictions to pull off. Of course this requires good play with help from teammates; this is why it is a soft check and not a counter. However, its primary use is for things like Bulk Up/Iron def Corviknight. That's because, although quickpass indeed viable (and strong! That's the difference. It does not bounce back the effects of items. Also, unless you're using the ladder unset called "Sash Marshadow", then Mashadow gets OHKOed by a Super Effective Stored Power with minimal setup. Have you ever heard of "soft checking?" If you have a better team for me to discuss, I'll be happy to use that instead. Baton Pass is competitive. I don’t really fuck w ubers much this gen so I haven’t played it much compared to other tiersHere's a replay from a tournament game featuring Magearna passing.
Including members of Ubers council. This also isn't completely true. There are 2 different "stages" of a full pass team: setup and maintenance. The VR is for pre-DLC anyway). I have no idea why the Scolipede user would ID turn one and not Sub. In this way, you can lose to it on paper and still be fine. I've provided a replay as well. Moves. I think that's what is needed at this point, but I'm mostly a doubles player so it doesn't hurt me so much.Everyone voted so quickly, but the results were as expected. Some of you have probably seen me around. I am simply doing the best I have with the current resources at my disposal. The target can still switch out if it is holding Shed Shell or uses Baton Pass, Parting Shot, U-turn, or Volt Switch. I haven't seen Sash Marshadow mentioned as possible counterplay. Regardless, protecting with Scoli is dangerous because gyra can DD on the tect turn for free. You're still calcing with garbage Adamant Drill, and clicking EQ on Scoli rather than a Rock move, so those calcs are pretty invalid. Thank you. This doesn't have anything to do with Ubers, but AG has things like double team and minimize allowed, which of course makes BP uncompetitive since your counterplay can miss. Here, people do not care if something has 100% usage, they do not care if something is broken, they only care if it is competitive. If you have a better VR for me to work with, I will happily use that instead. And that a 20 BP Stored Power still triggers Red Card.